Krishnamurti with Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche, part 4 of 5
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that he doesn"t have the pride (need to) display the incredible wisdom & power that he carries. his presence shows how he walks the walk not just talk the talk.the teaching of the buddha teaches us
to be open to all people &situations, CTR is a living example of this, he has incredible discipline to sit there & allow krishnamurti to patronize him,when i see that krishnamurti is purifying his obscurations in the presence of Trunpa's blazing compassionate presence.
don't find any fixation on attaining anything from K. If you're familiar with his written word, he continually emphasizes there should be no goal, no attainment, no practice and thus no conflict. Quietness of the mind isn't the goal, for to make it such spins the wheel of conflict. This is ju
st my understanding, and not meant to be anyone else's or yours. Peace.
but unfortunately oblivious to what's going on here, and looks quite silly and pompous up against Chogyam's calming and indulgent presence. (It's always important to pay attention to whether you're answering questions you have yourself asked. And never a good sign when you catch yourself doing i
t.)
arranged the whole thing like that on purpose, similar to the way it was done with David Bohm. It's not like Krishnamurti can't listen... that's just nonsense.
on pattern, and that depending on such patterns is a dead end. Yet here we are, all 5 parts of this video, concerned that this video doesn't follow the pattern of "an interview" or "a conversation". I find this entertaining...
of an invitation? He was never one to seek interviews and dialogs on TV, and from what I've read he often put on some sort of an act, just to get done with it. It is totally irrelevant whether he does what he talks about or not in front of the camera, he is most likely doing it consciously. Besi
des, Chogyam really decides to keep quiet and listen, that is obvious enough. You speak of patterns, yet you can't see your own patterns that pass judgement.
going to pass on this one.
always been a passionate verbalist. Trungpa always Dzogchen..2 rivers merging in same ocean, eventually.
be open to all situations & people (inclusivity)...no attachment to the extremes of samsara or nirvana.
dominated the conversation.
Trungpa got a word in edgewise.
... but I learned the actual process of meditation from Chogyam. At this late date, I don't listen or read K anymore ... but I do meditate ... thanks, Chogyam.
vs No Ego (Wisdom). A 'Knowing' person speaks little and means a lot - like a mute who had tasted honey (from Zen master). "He who knows needs no words" fr Lord Dharmo. Learned a lot.
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painful, stressful watching Krishnamurti going on and on. I feel I must meditate now. :}
you look closer at Rinpoche's stillness, you understand that he is less concerned with educating the viewing audience then allowing the possibility for Krishnamurti to absorb the blessings of Rinpoche's "unstruck sound". All through this interview, although Krishnamurti is speaking the pith tea
chings, Rinpoche sits in their essential meaning. Krishnamurti seems either ignorant or dismissive of that presence, and seems to radiate a certain hubris of erudition. Those who get it...
is a reality for him extremely hard thing to do , not trying to win or loss